A pair of dangerous riders shown high speed filtering.
Q. Does this look like Ghost Rider or your ride to work?
Brunstrom's at it again...
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on the other hand...
they can't complain about being nicked - but they didnt look like "lunatics" to me, they never looked ragged or out of control.
The one where they crossed into the hard shoulder was bang out of order and the guy following should have hung back on some of the undertakes- he was getting much too close in his haste to keep up with the guy in front.
What's not mentioned in Brunstom's bit is the lane discipline of the car drivers in the outside lane- lane hogging or what?
KenT - excellent reply.
I'm glad that both you & Murph picked up on the lane discipline.
Lizzie - I disagree about the lane discipline not being an issue but i don't think any of us are saying it's a defence.
After watching the video the couple of things that i picked up on were (1) the undertake on the hard shoulder was ludicrously stupid & (2) when the lead bike was undertaking normally, he was just on the inside of the white line, when he could easily have used the middle of that lane & therefore been able to react if any of those cars had veered to the left.
Lane Discipline has got to be one of my 'pet hates', whether i'm in the car or on the bike. It's bad enough, idiots hogging the middle & outside lanes of 3 way carriageways but on a 2 laner it's simply inexcusable.
It is legal to undertake, up to the speed limit, if the outside lane is travelling slower & to be honest, if safe to do so, i will undertake just to prove a point to these losers. sadly, the point always seems to be lost on them!
Back to Brunstrom's blog, well, after such an even handed article, i expect their 'Bikesafe' scheme to be inundated with calls...NOT!
Thank god he's not CC of W Mids!
Now that i would like to see, although i doubt it will ever happen!
PS: Wasn't having a go, soz if that was how it came over. Idiots like those 2 wazzocks do absolute wonders for our image...
the one and only thing...
I have to say about this clip is that if the car drivers weren't breaking the law by lane hogging in the first place then the bikers would not bee able to be done for under taking. And they are keeping good distance from the vehicles too. This isn't dangerous, it might be rapid, but stupid real player doesn't do sound today, and there is no way i'm adding myself to brainstorms click stats by looking there.
I absolutly dispare with the M4 from the Severn bridge to Newport every single morning, it's like i'm the only one who knows that the 1st lane isn't about to fall away and decend into hell. No car driver ever uses it, i'm amazed.
Anyway, watch your backs boys and girls, there's prolly a heli just above it these days.
I left this message
Your attitude is extremely mixed in this post about motorcyclists. At the beginning you point the finger at the majority of bikers and paint us as anti-social reprobates and then at the end of the post you quickly tuck in a quick disclaimer: "of course the majority etc". Which is it Mr Brunstrom? Are we bikers a majority of hooligans or are we a majority of upright citizens? I suspect I know which is your real opinion...
Also I notice you still don't have the guts to allow moderated comments on this blog. It's hardly an open discussion is it? It's just an opportunity for you to pontificate without any public reply.
My final point is that I don't see why you have a blog at all? You take this opportunity to make statements but it seems to me your job is not actually about what you think but rather about even-handedly enforcing the law. No favourites, no pet hates, just making sure your constabulary enforces the law. It seems to me that maybe you wish for publicity? Have you come to enjoy it over much Mr Brunstrom? A little controversy spices your day eh?
Well said people.
Sent the clown my two penneth as well, got an 'out-of-office' reply just now - maybe he's ducked away early for the weekend?
Hold on a minute!
Imagine the roles were reversed - all the cars on the video were bikes and the two lunatics were high-performance cars cutting bikers up in that way, would we think the same or not?
Whichever way you paint it their behaviour on a public road was unacceptable, couple that with the relevations regarding their earlier escapades that they were warned about and I am glad these two morons are off the roads for a while!
and mine - last night
[i]I am amazed that you still persist in singling out motorcyclists in your tirades against dangerous driving. Undoubtedly the two riders on the video you have posted are lunatics; but the general standard of car drivers is just as atrocious.
I think you are picking on an easy target, a minority that actually stands out in the public mind so that you can score Brownie points. I do not doubt that there are idiots who ride bikes, but for goodness sake; the majority of us are law-abiding tax payers who are fed up with you demonising us all.[/i]
[i]You don't take this attitude with boy racers - so why carry on with this ridiculous vendetta - it is rapidly becoming a joke and is also damaging Welsh tourism to boot. In general, Bikers are not scum, many of us are in well paid jobs, we like to travel, to tour the country, but a great many of us will not now set foot in Wales because of your actions and your attitude. The North Wales Constabulary is not your own personal feifdom, it is there to perform a public service. Please can't you even try to be a little more rational??[/i]
> I understand what your saying, but the point that I
> was trying to make is you dont see the police pulling
> other bad road users and delaying their journey do
Sorry but yes they do. Just because you aren't there to see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As for tarring all motorcyclists with the same brush isn't that what some people on here do with the Police?
I'm new to the board, but Brunstrom's blog was enough to start me posting. My comments to him (which won't be posted on the North Wales Police website, surprise, surprise...)
"Whilst I agree that the behaviour of the riders in your video clip is reckless and totally unacceptable, I find it equally unacceptable that you clearly imply this is typical among the majority of motorcyclists. I realise you've included a token paragraph at the end of your blog about "...the majority of motocycilsts are decent law-abiding people...", but most readers' minds will be made up in the first few sentences they read.
You biased viewpoint against motorcyclists serves only to marginalise bikes and make other road users less tolerant of motorcycles on the road, when in fact you should be educating ALL road users about the dangers posed by, and faced by, motorcycles on the road. Is it not the case that the majority of motorcycle accidents involving other vehicles are caused by the drivers of the other vehicles?
I would expect a senior police officer to refrain from such biased and inflammatory comments and in terms of improving overall road safety, I believe your blog is as reckless and irresponsible as the riding standards shown in your clip.
As a final point, why are you not willing to publish comments you receive. Surely this is an open debate and other viewpoints should be encouraged?"
We know most of you guys are pretty reasonable .. though I've just tilted my wing mirrors skyward to be on the safe side!!!
Glad I'm not in the UK anymore. I couldn't see too much wrong with that riding. Everybody here who wants to make progress, and avoid lane huggers, rides / drives like that; you just need to use your mirrors and life savers more often to be aware of whats coming up behind you and for when you change lanes.
Only the undertaking on the hard shoulder, and maybe getting a bit too close to the other vehicles despite the over/undertaking lane being clear, I would call dangerous.
... I just watched the clip....
OK, how did the helicopter crew know that it wasn't Assistant Chief Constable Steve Thomas out for a blast??
I mean, obviously it's fine for 'them' to do it, isn't it!
... tomorrow drones!!!
Rat cages at the ready.
Mickly I've never been told that about the Cov ring-road before. That really makes a lot of sense and I shall do that from now on. Cheers
As an aside I love to watch people who've never been on the ring-road before, the terror it induces always tickles my sadistic sense of humour...
1st I agree
completely with Shadow. The only move that was stupid, was the move onto the hard shoulder, outside of that I think they rode perfectly acceptable (within the clip that was shown, seeing as there wasn't any proof of the wheelie, this could be dismissed as either conjecture or hearsay).
The other point that has yet to be mentioned is that no one car had to brake or swerve or in fact maneuver in anyway as a result of the "bikers", dangerous?? to whom? if the bikes are well maintained, and we know they are designed to be ridden at speed, how is this dangerous if you're not doing anything that forces a (reactional) response from another road user?
I think I'm just going to pay more attention to the sky from now on!!
Maybe if the cars had pulled back into the inside lane maybe a speeding fine would have been all they got instead of a ban.
Looking at it....
....I would say their speed at times was well over 100mph and if they were Plod and HADN'T have got a ban we'd all be moaning about the sheer injustice of it all!
At the end of the day even Plod under blue lights would not ride/drive the way they did and THAT is supposed to be 'risky' and 'on-the-edge' for a well-trained rider/driver so what would it be for two untrained laymen?
Dangerous driving/riding perhaps?
I've put my 2 pennies worth in on his blog, 'out of the office till the 23rd' There's handy see !
The man's a disgrace, A bigot of the highest order.
probably 'out of the office & up someones arse looking for his knighthood'
He's got my post code, My name, & email address
> Sorry but yes they do. Just because you aren't there
> to see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As for
> tarring all motorcyclists with the same brush isn't
> that what some people on here do with the Police?
I didnt word my reply to Lizzie R very well did I.
I know the police do pull other bad road users, and a good job they do as well, what I intended to say was you dont see them [b]targeting[/b] bad car drivers out for a run with their mates and driving in convoy do you as they do every weekend to bikers on the roads of Wales (both North & South).
Whilst on a trip to Aberystwyth earlier this summer I was almost taken out by someone driving an old blower Bentley (the type John Steed drove in the Avengers) on the wrong side of the road and obviously racing with a mate in another Bentley not to inconspicuous a car but not targeted by the locals or any other enforcement agency, but put the two drivers on bikes and they send up the air-force with orders to take them out at all cost.
No I think the North Wales Police Force in general and their Chief Constable in particular need to take a step back and look at the reasons why the two riders in the video, and bikers in general do what they do and apply the rule of law evenly and without prejudice.