Check out the video at the bottom of this press release:
Two riders - one being filmed and one doing the filming. See which one you think is riding more dangerously. Then see if you can guess which one got a 2 year ban and which one probably got a commendation for getting a good collar.
The bike in question is reputedly an unmarked, silver CBR600RR.
Sussex police unmarked bike chase
Check out the video at the bottom of this press release:
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Voice over is hilarious.
Conversation between rider and dispatch:
Rider: He's doing 100 in a 30mph... overtaking on zig-zags into oncoming traffic... pulling wheelies off a roundabout... Overtaking at solid white lines, and again, and again, doing 140 in a 40mph zone... undertaking at 90mph.
Dispatch: Are you happy to stay with him?
Rider: Yes. He's not a very competent rider, not very stable in the wet...
Blimey! Now that's what I call getting properly done! There's no arguing that one is there.
whats to say, they both ride like wankers, but one will get done.
It's pure hyporcracy
The police unmarked bike rider is just as guilty as the biker.
He clearly had enough evidence to get his quarry banned very early on in the film ....... yet he continues to carry on chasing ....doing dangerous overtakes into oncoming traffic and crossing 'double whites' as well as speeding through congested traffic for miles and miles ..... why?
Well, probably because he was having 'a hoot'.
The moral is ...if you want to have fun and high-speed thrills biking ..... join the police.
the copper took more risks pity the van he just missed didnt hit him,i think for my future defence i will fit a camera to the rear of my bike so when a kamakazi copper starts to chase me i can show him hitting me when i jam the anchors on right infront of him.
note to all sussex bikers if you find youve grown a tail and have other bikers as witnesses do some creative braking and get him to run into you the you can sue him as you will have "other road users as witnesess"of his eratic and dangerous driving.
Last time I rode like that down the A21 I had the lights and two tone going" />. New silver CBR600rrrrrrrrrrr eh haven't seen that one on my travels yet. Just the lotus, the Pan's and the "Busa. Will have to keep my eyes even more pealed then.
As the article stated, this was a survalence operation, after numerous complaints of a biker repeatedly riding dangerously.It had already been decided not to attempt to stop him, merely to film evidence for trial.
As to who was riding dangerously. Most of the time the cop had better road postion and could see more of the aproaching hazzards than the biker, ok the copper had a couple of "moments" such as the point where he nearly head on'd the bike coming the other way, but considering he was trying to keep up with a rider who clearly shouldn't be on the road I see little problem with his riding.
If I am caught speeding or whatever I will take what's coming to me on the chin!!. However, to have a sportsbike on your tail (not identified as police) then it is going to turn into a bit of a race. Why didn't they just use a fixed covert camera to snap him (if he was doing this regularly as the article reads!?)....as opposed to chasing him!. And as Kam said they had enough early on and should have broken of the chase......send a car to his house!?. The guy is obviously up for a bit of a race........you stick yourself on his arse, what do you think he is going to do!!???. Very questionable tactics indeed.......! NOT IMPRESSED!!
just did my homework
And according to some websites and Wiki (yes I know it's not official source) a copper chasing at same speeds is encouraging a race which is titled to the police force as entrapment.
Its the same if a car tail gates you and you speed up a little to keep it clear. you can legally get away with speeding if this was the true honest case. so whats the difference with a copper chasing at that speed unmarked.
Agreed with Kam the chase went on way to long
You are all assuming
that this would have rode differently if the cop wasn't their. Judging by the reports of repeated compliants this isn't so. By that assumption the only difference between the cop beng there or not was the actions of the cop himself, and for the most part he was safe. the cop clearly had far better awareness ad road positioning than the biker.
At the end of the day a rider, who shouldn't have been on the road if he choses to ride like that in those conditions, was banned. If you ask me that is a good result.
To whomever justified the biker by saying he was clearly up for a race and therefore the cop was creating the incident. It can never be acceptable to race in those road conditions, and therefore again the biker deserved to be banned even if that was the case.
Andy, possibly but the copper was trying to keep up not tailgating and pushing the biker faster. At points the other biker was riding much faster than the cop was prepared to.
stuhsp, good point about other road users seeing two bikers riding "riding like tits" and not a police persuit. Do not police riding unmarked bikes wear hi'vis vests with police on the back?
We are all very quick to point fingers at bad drivers, but when it comes to bad riders a totally different set of standards seam to appear.
We do try to find faults in drivers more, but it's pretty easy to work it out that we are as bikers targeted. They don't put out helicopter for cars (just to spot a speeding rider, not a chase)
Personally I think coppers really do dislike bikers, but with more car drivers committing more offensives than bikers it's taking the piss. And yes we as bikers should stick up for one another.
I am not saying the biker being followed isn't a wanker because he clearly is. but the chase went on to long and the cop did take dumb actions just to follow for that length of time, just because the cop biker had better advanced training don't merit the fact he did 80 -- 90 through a 40 zone, one child is all it takes. it would have been safer to follow with a helicopter as they are used for surveillance
I see little problem with his riding.
You see little problem with doing 100 in a 30, through congested traffic!?
You can't 'have your cake and eat it' ....either they _both _rode recklessly or neither of them did.
As for him being_part of a surveillance operation . -_ Yes, I know ...and my point was that they had all the surveillance evidence they needed to get a conviction way back in the film ..... why did the police continue riding recklessly for miles unnecessarily?
No, not all unmarked police riders have hi vis vests with a rear id pocket. Kent guys just used to have a very small badge on the lether jackets.
I must say that my earlier comment about the two's and blues was serious. I love to ride fast but, even on a shout I'd blanch at some of those manouvers when I'm riding a fully marked up Sussex Ambulance Pan.
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I agree with Mjollinir on this one. The cop clearly had more advanced riding skills that the tw@t in front and because of his riding position had better observation throughout of the hazards ahead.
However, he should have cut the chase short once he had the evidence to convict which was only a couple of minutes into the chase. Like someone said earlier, he was obviously enjoying the blast himself.
As for all these people who think that police hate bikers.......what a load of tosh! The police are not one entity with one way of thinking despite what we say about them. Some police dislike bikers sure but that only comes from experience, stereotyping all bikers based on the pr@tts they see riding every week (similar to bikers stereotyping police) but the majority are as fair to us as a group as to any other.
The difference is in the training. Traffic police training is considerably more advanced than standard motorcycle test, with repeated re-testing, and evaluation.
The guy he is pursueing on the other hand has clearly never done anything more than the standard test, and thinks he is rossi.
Does anyone think it's hypocritial to show the footage?
The police have slated bikers who post YouTube footage of themselves up to shenanigans on the highways, yet this is some seriously hardcore film of two mental-fast bikes tearing up the public highway.
Whatever the issues of the chase itself - and I can see both points of view on this - the decision to show the whole thing on the police website is outrageous! If it was a 2 to 3 minute edit of the highlights then okay, you can see the public benefit to the constabulary, but this film goes on and on and on and on and it's like GTA at points. I think the police will regret that decision.
'His training' - I didn't know police training included mastering 'the force' Jedi - style! " />
(His training should have told him it is not safe to overtake lines of cars in a 30 zone at 100mph..... period!...especially with no flashing lights and siren! )
His extra police 'training' will not change the laws of physics..... if any of those cars had suddenly made a last minute right turn ...he would have been f*cked just as much as the biker he was pursuing.
Thing is it doesn't happen more often
How many cars did you pass on your way to work today? how many do you remember. Probably only those you directly interacted with, and you'll especially remember any one who did something that you thought was wrong and caused you to have to make a manourve different from the norm at that point in your journey.
Same goes for bikes, the public will only really ever remember the bikers that have caused them to react, even if it was only to wake up as a biker appeared from "nowhere" cause they weren't paying attention. That and our ability to progress through the heaviest of traffic will always have the general public against us. As to the police, truth is we have the highest accident per mile rate on the public roads today, and as much as we all like to kid ourselves that it is nearly always SMIDSY car drivers truth is, A lot of the time, we could have done more to be aware of the impending hazzard, and we have an unacceptably high percentage of single vehicle accidents, makeing us prime targets for some aditional police resources.
We all like to be considered on the edge of society, until it hinders us.
for one thing most of those car drivers have just been woken up by the first bike speeding past, making it far more likely they'll look before pulling said stupid right turn.
As to their training, one of the things their training covers is more advanced ways to attempt to predict the actions of other road users.
Our basic test just gives us the knowledge to ride a bike without falling off, and some basic safety dos and don'ts, which always err on better safe than sorry teaching.
The various advanced tests go into more depth and cover riding well road positioning and better hazard prediction.
The police training is up a notch again
I am prepared to give the officer in question the benefit of the doubt. That with his superiour view to the camera, he was riding within his safety margin and he was on top of the prevailing hazards based on the extra training he has recieved to you and I.
We do tend to be all to quick to jump down the police's throats on here in a kind of revenge to a percieved victimisation.
Right there is some common ground:
1. Everyone thinks this guy deserved to be nicked and his fun licence taken off him.
From my point of view although the police rider is better trained and therefore better at reading the road / traffic he still had no way of warning people he was there. Up in Newcastle a girl was killed by a speeding marked police car and they are prosicuting the officer - he alledgedly didn't have blues on. There were also so me dangerous overtakes and the like and it only takes someone to flash someone out or let someone cross a road and bang they're gone. Police officer should have ended the chase - but I think he wanted to ensure the prosecution more than have a blast.
I also disagree that the police are against us, bike police are normally sound and I've even had one help me filter past blocking traffic - he waved to me to follow him and led me past the culprit Merc then on for another mile before giving me a thumbs up and taking an exit. Cracking guy. I think what we face is some police against us and just some who have no clue and so make bad decisions. The government is stacked against us though as we are too independent minded and they don't like that! It is the government policy that drives some of these anti-biker slant initiatives.
I know a traffic officer and he basically says as long as nobody takes the p*ss they don't mind a little speeding and bending of rules... when people take the p*ss they have to step in. Oh and he used to ride a Kwak 636 so he sees our point of view.
All in all lets just be glad the tool is off the road and nobody got injured because the guy thought he was Rossi and didn't even have the skills or brains to carry Lorenzo's Chuppa Chups lolly
"but thought the footage showed quite a few unnecessary risks."
From the footage alone and my level of training I'd agree with you. However remember the footage is taken from the front of the bike on a narrow lens angle (compared to the human eye), his eye's were almost certainly higher than the cameras giving him a much better view of the road.. You also cannot tell what other actions he might have been taking, such as points when he covered his brakes ready to react instantly etc, you only have the sound of his engine as a guide to anything else he may have been doing.