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how long is it going to be i wonder. good to see the bbc covered it on national news but I suppose that will get swept under the carpet.
Will the DSA ever admit they got it wrong this time .
I am a learner and i cant see the problem with the serve thing, it just a matter of confidence and practice. i havent fallen once doing it, Just seems like, if they are falling off they are not compitant enough to ride anyway. But that is just my opinon
I've been riding for a good few years now and I can do the swerve on my little 125cc in the dry using little more than my arse to steer, but I would not try it in the wet.
If you think it would be a good idea to do it in the wet, I suggest you have not got enough experience in wet weather riding to safely judge the available grip and would advise you to be very careful in those conditions.
It's not skill in the wet so much as luck a lot of the time - if the volume of water is such that the tyres can not shed it whilst you are making a sharp change in direction you will skid. There's no skill in that, it's chance - you are being forced into doing a manoeuvre that tests the grip of your tyres in the wet. In real riding you wouldn't do that manoeuvre in those conditions unless you were going to have an accident if you didn't. The skill and experience come into play in catching and controlling the skid, not preventing it occurring (obviously nerves will make you tense up and increase the odds but everyone is going to be nervous when being scrutinised, so that's counted as a constant factor in the above rant).
I'm also wondering how people are falling off as I didn't find the actual swerve tricky, but that's probably from doing a few "real" ones! We're all different & I don't mean any disrespect to the unfortunate injured ones, hope they all recover quickly. I do think some aspects are pointless tho, like the minimum speed for the swerve - this could be needed at any speed in real life - and the ridiculous figure 8, repeated from the CBT. I don't care if it is all about slow machine control, it's utterly pointless, unlike the U turn which even I've done in real life.
Last one I did embarrassingly left me riding over a grass verge.... ahem
I haven't seen the swerve test or the layout of the cones etc but maybe they need to adjust the distance of the cones so the maneuver can be carried out safely in adverse weather conditions.
Aww. Never mind, I started the slalom with my sidestand down! Hmm...
The problem with extending the run up for 125's before the swerve or emergency stop (same route for both) is that the test is in an enclosed area, surrounded by 'safety' steel wire mesh. The more run up you give, the less space there is to stop in a controlled manner...unless of course the DSA extend the test area's but I cant see that happening soon. There was no spare room at Garretts green (railway in the way) and I dont see it being much better at other sites even if they wanted to do it.
I passed the test last week (both parts, go me), albeit on a bandit, and although the swerve itself is pretty soft in the dry I wouldnt fancy it on a 125 or in the wet. Good luck to anyone that has to do it.
Oh and when wheeling the bike at the start of mod 1 if u leave the side stand down for safety - dont scrape it along the floor like i did, they dont like it if u scratch their new play surface
Surely making something harder means you have to be better to pass it?
I've only got about 400 miles under my belt on a 125. I took the measurements from the DSA website, and set up the swerve manoeuver on a local car park used for CBT's...I have never had tuition since my CBT, and i can EASILY complete the swerve, even in the wet, and at up to 37mph.
If something came shooting out in front of you in the road and you had to perform this swerve in a real life situation, what would you do? I think this is a case of inexperience+bad tuition. Basic counter steering should be taught and then these people would easily be able to do this, just like me - as inexperienced as I am.
**yet another crash **
go on scare em a bit more
I haven't actually done this test myself having been riding years now, but to me the people that are saying it is only a matter of skill are either very experienced riders and instructors or people that haven't taken it.
Aren't most of these accidents happening in the wet? That is the issue here I think - you can't turn as sharply or brake as hard in the wet, and probably not even accelerate up to speed either as you are coming out of a corner before the speed traps and so will be leaned over - spinning a wheel isn't fun and someone doing there test CANNOT have the experience to know this unless they've spent hundreds of pounds on lessons just to have a chance to do such a maneuvere.
Sure we need to ensure that people are up to scratch with their training but the test has to be fair too - one person testing in the dry and another in the wet with the same criteria are not being tested equally.
To pass a test I believe you should show competence enough to be allowed on the roads without being a danger. Most learners ride steady and slow until they learn how their bike handles in different conditions and wouldn't dream to throw it into a braking swerve at 31mph so the test isn't relevent to their experience - also many hire bikes and so aren't familiar with the tyres etc on that bike.
I say suspend the swerve. I passed the old test and haven't killed myself. The DSA needs to concentrate on car drivers awareness - why do they not have to check their blindspot in a test - it's mirror only!
Also teach people how to use the roads safely - get up to speed and not sit at 50 in the middle lane of a motorway - there's TWO overtaking lanes, not one! And going slow only forces people to risk an overtake that could end up cutting you up. These issues should be in the new test!
Hi guys i am learning to ride right now, Theory test booked in for next week, so i have not started the mod 1 practice yet, but from speaking to quite a few riding schools / instructers, they are all saying the same thing, they are struggling to book people in for tests, there are only 2 test centres in the whole of Wales geared up for the mod1 test! This cant be right? and to be honest i dont think the instructers are geared up to actually train this swerve manouver due to lack of space / speed trap etc.
I have no problem with the test being improved to create safer riders as i myself have already planned to take further advanced lesson following passing my test and purchasing a bike, but i do feel that the DSA need to listen to instructers / examiners and if they are saying that this test is not right then they need to change it!
Totally agree that car drivers need to be more observant, since deciding to go for a bike licence i have found myself observing other drivers much more, and the number of drivers who speed through roundabouts, no signalling, leaving indicaters on after passing junctions, poking they nose in to passing traffic to push their way out, and sheer disregard for anyone else around them is shocking! Oh and lane disipline on roundabouts seems to be non existent
Its the same in merseyside and Chesire. The two closest centers are St Helens and Chester. Both booked up for mod 1 and mod 2 up until mid august. I have my mod 1 again next week. If fail again I'll have to cancel my mod 2 (looose £70) and have to wait till probably september. I'll leave it till next yr if that happens.
she came off during the Emergancy stop did she not, in the dry ?
About time we learned to swerve.
I visited a training school in France about fifteen years back and was surprised to see the trainees riding a slalom at about 30mph. I tried it myself and wasn't nearly as fast as the French students (and I'd been riding for about twenty five years at that time).
British training has never emphasised machine handling at speed; we somehow expect that trainees will pick this up with experience. The problem is that unless they go to enough track days or get some advanced training they won't get the experience.
This training is long overdue and instructors need to catch up with it.
Where are people supposed to get this training though? Even if riding under a CBT can you legally ride around swerving in the road to practise? Also many people don't have a proper centre to take lessons at to practise.
The issue is that the test can sometimes be unsafe and it's not improving the minimum requirements for riding bikes as you can just keep doing CBT's and never do a swerve in your life. I wouldn't recommend that of course, but surely there is a better way to assess somebody's skills than a one-off swerve where the examinee is more likely to throw the bike into it to avoid failing on going too slow?
What about practising sharp turns on roundabouts for the next DSA trick and make all turns right-handed? Lol.
Ye my instructer said that the only date he has got for a mod 1 in the next month would mean that i would have to do the mod 2 the following day (dont ask how or why, cos i dont know) he said it was up to me, but obviosly if i fail the mod 1 loose the test fee for mod 2.
DSA put back introducing this new test so that everything would be in place, but it clearly is not, i have 3 car test centres within 10 mile of my house, nearest bike test centre is now 30 mile away, which i wouldnt really mind if it wasnt so busy
after i passed at blackburn i asked an instructor if any one had crashed this week and he said yeah a girl and a guy the girl crashed on the E stop ( went over the bars ), im guessing its the same lass.
Over the bars?
Does anyone know if she was standing on the seat or has upgraded brakes?
I really hope she is okay, but I didn't think 125's could do stoppies!?? Is there an error in the reporting maybe?