Yet again,,, headlines of unmarked police bikes getting our lot into much more trouble than neccessary. This is straight forward commom sense to me, I dont disagree with unmarked bikes or cars, but come-on, as soon as the police capture the first offence being committed, surely the blues and twos should come on. This is not happening, some of these bikes have no blues & twos at all just video cams.! What is it all about? The common sense should be to stop the offender as soon as possible in order to avoid injury or death to other road users.... Not to stop, is totally outragously imoral. As for the officer to chase without blues and twos surely he is committing similar offences himself.... The law courts need to act, and FAST.
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Stick out like a sore thumb..Who rides an Hayabusa like a nanny..
In general I don't think they should be using unmarked cars/bikes for these stealth tactics, they're not a deterent but in some cases it appears they goad the rider/driver to go faster..
Same with CCTV, hate Big Brother watching every move I make, and they don't stop crime, only record it after the event, rather than have a visible Police presence on the streets..
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What is more dangerous than a motorcyclist breaking the speed limit?
Two motorcyclists breaking the speed limit!
What is more dangerous than two motorcyclists breaking the speed limit?
Two motorcyclists breaking the speed limit followed by an unmarked police motorbike!
My Brain Hurts
the problem with using unmarked bikes, they all ready use them with cars and record drivers. If they pulled you for the first offence then it could be argued in court and get off with a softer fine/ points etc but if they are recorded doing multiple offences then at least something will stick and they are more likely to remove a dangerous rider/ driver from the road for a few years.
Simple fact is if you dont want to get caught out then dont break the law!
If you want to ride your bike seriously above the speed limit then do it on a track...
I agree that
if you don't want to get caught, don't do ought wrong. It does seem, however, that some of the more powerful (unmarked) police bikes hang around the popular racing spots and, when they are overtaken, follow closely behind the overtaker. Isn't this just asking for a race?
A curly lead from helmet to tank bag ---
is a dead giveaway !
The Point im trying to make is - the first instance for the police should be to stop a protential, maybe fatal accident occuring....!
Isnt this why the speed cameras were renamed safety cameras?
like i said if they pulled you for the first offence then you would prob be out on the road again in a few hours and do exactly the same thing and end up killing someone/ yourself, its not a bullet proof way of doing things but seems the most logical as the saying goes "if you throw enough sh*t then something will stick".
Like Stu said if someone is up your chuff then i slow and move over to the left slightly to let them get past as you never know who is sat behind you!
Eleme - if you over take a police bike and dont realise its a police bike (even unmarked ones have Police in white lettering on the sides) then you are retarded and shouldnt be on the road, your observation skills are seriously lacking, and then after not noticing that it was a police bike and when the copper is sitting behind videoing you and you go and gas it then its only yourself to blame. If you feel the need to race people then go to a track a do it to your hearts content
(not having a go at you Elem just re-read this and it might be seen to be)
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Have to agree, pull to the side and let the speed freaks go if they want to, unmarked police bike or not. Do not be tempted to get involved in a race with a stranger, its not worth it. I also agree that they should identify themselves and stop illegal riding immediately and not wait to see if you will commit further infringements, thats a recipe for disaster.
This is now a major Government revenue raiser..Speed limits that have been 60/50/40/ etc for as long as I can remember are now quitely being lowered to bring more people into the revenue trap..Same with cameras, there's so many in and around Leeds now that its only a matter of time before you get caught..You could drive like a saint but one small forgetful moment and you're a criminal..
We're fast losing any freedoms we had, and people should wake up to the fact..This isn't just about speed, but right across the board, from freedom of speech to freedom of movement..You can't even ride an offroad bike on common land anymore without being targetted..
Looked at some holiday snaps the other day from someone who'd been on holiday to Florida, and they posed outside a shooting range with their target they'd been shooting at..The target depicts Bin Laden..Try that here and you'd be in court for inciting racial hatred..
Things have gone too far..Whoo I'm getting off my soap box..
Not offended at all. Not much chance of me racing anybody - i'm into cruisers, the type that chug along like a steam engine and can't turn without grinding your pegs to nothing.
**donny **- i'd say it's probably more of a police priority to stop people doing it again than stopping them this time. If you are recorded overtaking at over the speed limit, you'll get a slap on the wrist and sent on your way. If you are recorded driving over quite a long distance at a considerable speed, they can take your licence away very easily. This way the police only need to catch every racer once, as opposed to every time they speed, in order to stop them driving irresponsibly. The priority is to make the roads safer as a whole, not to make the bit of road the copper happens to be on safe until their shift ends.
So if ...
Elementz - So if a policeman see's two geezzers fighting in the street, one as a knife, is it right to allow a stabbling before nicking him......? murder or manslaughter charge instead of afray.... Get a grip...
dont show how stupid you are coming out with statements like that as its obviously different and quite simple to pin someone with having a knife.
You need to get a grip and put things in perspective, different law breaking has different punishments and different ways of dealing with things!
what donny is saying is correct the cops by law are suposed to stop you not follow you so you add up more infringements
he aint being stupid hes makeing a point if you get a good laywer he will get you off all but the first infringement
also a few yrs back a cop nearly lost his job for following a a car going fast and dangerous in an unmarked car .. he didnt stop the speeding car and followed it for 5 miles racking up potential nicks and the kid lost it on a bend and injured himself
the courts found the cop in the wrong and i think the force was suied
i was calling him stupid for saying that they should let people with knives stab someone before arresting them.
Yes the cops should stop you for the first offence and the example you pulled is a little out of the ordinary as if the chump was driving like a serious muppet he should have been pulled before hand and this is bad judgement from the police and he rightlfully got nailed.
But following you over a number of miles monitoring your speed providing your not driving irratically (as dont they need to pace for 1/2 mile to get an average speed) and then pulling you for a confirmed speeding fine which wil guarantee points fine/ court etc makes more sense and a better use of man power.
I think the law system can be abused from both sides here so the cops are trying to make sure that 90% of cases that go to court end in favor to the Police, rather than the driver having a shit hot brief and getting off with a slap on the wrist as dont you think that that is a waste of money and time and unfair on people who cannot afford the best!
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Hey just head on up to North East, Northumbria Police have no bikes marked or otherwise, they are too dangerous
Plenty of other tish though and will prosecute 34 in 30 friend just been scammed
The last reply
on this thread warrants some consideration, of course he should have still kept his speed down, but doesn't the whole pursuit by unmarked vehicles play on primeval fears and reactions? If roads policing is not now greatly about revenue collection, then wouldn't offending vehicles be stopped at the earliest opportunity. Sounds like this guy will have to get some heavyweight legal representation, and don't forget unlike the knife fight mentioned further up the thread, there is NO legal aid for motoring offences.
Here's a question, If a child has a box of matches, do you take it away before they strike one, after they've struck one, when they've set light to something, when the whole house is on fire, or when they are on fire? Now subsitute biker for child and bike for matches.
A warning/smack on the wrist early on could well stop a more serious incident.
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If a persons actions are directly as a result of the polices actions then its grounds for being thrown out of court. If the following officer gives you no other option but to speed excessively then it should be thrown out of court. If the rider could slow down and let the goading officer pass (and maybe take his details and submit a formal complaint) but doesn't, then they only have themselves to blame. Letting them overtake to check if its a cop or not is probaly the best thing to do. for warned is for armed as it were
This reminds me
Of when I used to work in an offie.
We were told that if we were in doubt then asking someone "how old are you?" would always rule out trading standards as they had to tell the truth to avoid entrapment.
If someone seems to be pushing you, pull over and have a fag. Or some drugs. Probably get less penalty than for speeding.
Just remember it's always your choice to go faster because someone behind is pushing.... problem is it's human nature and that's what these kinds of stats bandits prey on.
I had a huge argument with a cop about the North Wales thing and them just stopping bikers because they can and she didn't see the issue at all. She saw it as a legitimate causality prevention exercise (whilst doing 34 in a 30 I might add). I'm very tempted to join the Special Constables to see what makes these people tick... there must be a good reason why they do this sort of thing and it'd be interesting to see it from the other side.
On a lighter note, Dominos did not say their new mango dip was spicy. Bastards.
The whole thing is stupid, they cause more danger to road users than they prevent.
And tsgv, I agree with you that waiting until someone stabs a person, or waiting until a motorcyclists causes a pile up are not the same things. A pile up is much worse.