Another pathetic procession with too few bikes on the grid.Please let's go back to 1000cc engines based on production bikes with one off frames etc.Let's have 30 bikes on the grid with all the manufacturers entering teams.Lets limit the engines to 200 bhp with a minmum weight limit to keep costs down.Cannot see Motogp surviving unless something radical changes.
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.......... only strong rumours to date.... but your radical change is about to happen.... with the Rossi switch.... which is all that is required. Your suggestions smack of moto2 and the boardroom formula of lets control everything so the riders and teams no longer have to think.... weight limits bigger grids, all bullshit........... as for keeping the costs down.. this is grand prix motorcycle racing not a trip to Costco.... the procession was moto2, that class you know with those full grids that keep the costs down.... pound for pound you can't tell me that the teams are finacially better off and everyone is closer to the front.......nobody enters motorcycle racing to be better off.......... production bikes.. what are you on!!!!!
Whilst I agree with your sentiments entirely re MotoGP, we must remember that there is no God given neccessity to have such a thing as propotype racing.
If it gets too boring/costly/uncompetitive/un-attractive to sponsors, then it will die. Simples.
Of course it would be great to have the freedom to run what you like up to an engine size limit, which I believe is what you (and I) want, but we are where we are and tweeking it to fit in with the modern world may be the best of not very many options. Sadly.
I hate to say it, but what we are watching at the moment is not a great spectacle. Each week I switch on, full of expectation and hope for an all time great race, only to have that feeling that my time could possibly have been better spent cleaning the oven or weeding the garden.
It could be simply that we`ve already seen the best, and we are looking at the demise of this type of racing.
I dont know. What do you reckon?
I'm not really sure what the answer is tho. More bikes maybe. I watched Moto2 at the last round in Spain and it was way more exciting to watch. I hate to say it but I agree that MotoGP is getting boring........Theres only 3 reasons I watch, Rossi, Lorenzo and Spies
BSB is where its at for me tho.
WHEN is a race........
**....... boring?....... **usually when the span of attention of the person watching is set to wane.... with all the many disciplines within motorcycle racing it's a pity that the benchmark has become the 24 lap dash, and whether that dash involves a series of paint swapping scraps to the very end..... just because a rider/team displays a period of dominance the racing is labelled boring..... I personally have never come away from watching Grand prix motorcycle racing wishing I'd stayed in the kitchen or garden....... or for that matter thinking I'd been better off watching the antics of the WSB boys..... as I write the F1 cars howl around Silverstone......these are prototype cars which bear no resemblance to anything the paying public is ever likely to drive, and yet despite some truly atrocious precessional races and practically no comprehension of what makes the things tick.....people flock to support the event and as a result the sport seems stronger than ever even after all those calls for changes based on economic conditions......lets make it more affordable.... the team owners just cried shove it..... motorcycle racing has in motogp the very sharp end of prototype racing and all we get from the average punter is this is boring lets throw in some street bikes and liven it up a bit...... can't hear the same cries from the F1 punters to throw in a few clios and focuses and we'll all be happy...... so what do I reckon...... you probably already know the answer to that...... Speedway is purely prototype racing, and watched and cherished by a huge cross section of people...... don't here anybody asking how can we make it cheaper..... just a thought.....
called boring because of the too few bikes on the grid. Not because of the dominance of any rider or team.
How do we get more bikes on the grid?
I love Motogp and my kitchen/garden comment was just to make a point. I`m not paying a 3 figure sum to see 15 bikes. If enough other people think the same then the only way is down.
There needs to be at least 20-22 bikes out there or I can see it dying a death.
.......... I disagree..Rainey won 3 on the bounce with 12/13 on the grid, I don't recall any cries of boredom.... yes there were concerns and efforts were made to swell the ranks........... but even with 30 plus on the grid there is still only 10 in the race.. the rest are usually mobile bollards..... the question of how do we get more bikes on the grid... I suppose and being no expert on corporate motorsport finances, is about distribution of budgets via factories and major sponsors........ and there involvement is based I suppose on viewing and potential viewing figures.......... and a lot of that depends on the quality of the show..... one very simple explanation as to why Mr. Rossi is so valuable... a lot of the time he is the show.... So the theory goes that all the money now saved by abolishing the 250's and running those much cheaper moto 2 machines.... the re-distribution of finances can begin, and factories can focus on the premier class.......... get some rookies in there and let the rookie first year rule become the feeder for future factory riders....... because sure as hell moto 2 couldn't feed the kids... let alone a thriving motogp class looking for a full bank..
In the absence of any decent racing this last weekend I did get to spend some time in the kitchen/garden........ and thursday I leave for the Sachsenring to get my fill, and hopefully see the return of the great man...... I won't be posting requests for the best place to sit, how to get there, and could I share a tent with anyone......that'll probably come as a relief........ Cheers CM..
You go and have yourself a good weekend MGPNR.
Hope it stays nice for ya. I`ll be in front of the telly for this one.
I used my brownie points to go see the Hungarian round, which Dorna kindly cancelled... well after I`d bought the flights. In fact after the calender was "finalised".
So in September we`re all in Budapest...for nothing!
Still, I`m told there`s some good museums and galleries there. I`m sure the boys will appreciate these in between getting off their heads on cheap Hungarian lager.
Have a guddun anyways.
Dear motogpnorival-you are the one talking bullshit!What does it matter what the engine is based on?The rest of the bike would be a prototype. Motogp needs new rules to get more teams involved and to make the racing closer.Having a minimum weight limit stops teams using expensive materials and keeps costs down.A lot of factories would love to be in motogp but cannot afford it.Also they would sell more road bikes if they won on the track.
Lets over react.......
..... and slip into knee-jerk.... reaction.. do you really believe minimum weights and whether or not a team ends up using a few lightweight materials is the make or break of a factory entering the premier class..... and who at the moment are all these factories that would LOVE to be in motogp..... you really do come out with some shit.... Love has no bearing on the decision to go racing..... It's called commerce......
I never been to the Saxon Ring, Is it any good, viewing ect?
Would you recomend it to us for next years trip?
**.... to the sachsenring..... **viewing everywhere is great, plenty of big sreens..... seating is cheap.... great food and booze.... and of cause the Germans are very hospitable.... if we ever need a reminder in this country of how things should be done and how to behave.... we need look no further than Germany...... book now to avoid disappointment......
Yeh Nice 1.
Agree with you about the Germans. Been riding over there a few times. Always enjoyed it.
Might just try the sachsenring next year. Sounds good.
Dear braindead motogpnorival,Every large manufacturer would be in Motogp if it was cost effective.The reason they are not is because they would have to build a bike from scratch.Using existing engines and limiting expensive materials would cut costs especially if power and weight limits are used.Sorry if you cannot understand that you idiot.
this is my third trip to the sachsenring for motogp and i recommend this trip for everyone.i may disagree that seating is cheap but certainly still good value.camping was 40euros from wednesday till monday live bands all weekend plus other entertainment.park your bike next to your tent no problem no parking up the then taking your gear on a route march.a top party weekend.
Listen to yourself....
......... power, weight limits..... existing engines....... I don't go to GP's to watch/listen to bikes set up around existing engines........... what existing engines ?...... what cost effectiveness ? this is the PREMIER class you berk, this is why it sits at the sharp end.... and why you are bored shittless of the spectacle, and I'm continuously and unreservedly excited by the unending thrill of the whole affair...... take your weight limits..... your power limits ...... your streetbike engines and shove them where the sun don't shine..... I will continue to defend the prototype model.... it still has a long way to go....... so do you...
I have been watching the GP series for 15 years or so, and love every last race, whatever the class, be it a damn good thrash fest or a prossesion.
I believe we have been spoilt for 'entertainment' with Mr Rossi.
The man has taken over peoples lives (including my own) and has made the veiwing massivley exciting.
The 1000's look like they are coming back for 2012 whether we like it or not and the talk is to have production 'based' engines alongside them. I think this could be good for us, as customers and the sport in general (bigger grids) but I am not sure, as motogpnorival points out, (and it pains me to be in agreement with someone so dogged in thier ideas and comments) that it will make the 'racing spectacle' any better, as there will always be 'aliens'.
I hope MotoGP will thrive again, and I believe that the Rossi move will invigorate the class again.
Saving money should not be a factor in this class, it is prototype racing and deserves prototype money and investment.
BORING BORING MOTOGP
I see that gayboy is going to Ducati now.Lets hope he leaves the ex Honda crew at Yamaha and develops the Ducati by himself with the existing Ducati technicians.I don't think he can do it by himself,but it will be interesting to see him try.Honda took years to replace the crew he took to Yamaha, and it certainly slowed down development in the race team.Another boring Motogp last week again-I would rather watch a club race!
spare yourself the pain.......
....... seems like we've almost found common ground...... not difficult to figure out, it's all about the spectacle, and whether the right people are in charge of it..... when the plan is to change things for the sake of it, and seems to lack the foresight...the show will suffer...... the BANDIT continues to post more rot based on his boredom.... not anything I've ever suffered... but then hey...... good to see the thread come to life again.. the forum seems to have died a death these last few weeks...... all the developments following VR and all that i'ts bound to trigger and hardly a response.....
The 125's are where it's at." /> Couldnt care less about Jorge and the Spanish midget.
I think the german Moto GP sells out so if your going get your tickets in advance to avoid disapointment.