WTF !! Had my Bike 4 weeks, Getting some miles in and using it for work..Loving it, then this evening on the doormat a Notice of Prosecution for doing 46 in a 30 area. Ok, I know I'm wrong but it was done by a manned camera hidden in a side street behind a bus shelter !!! He was not positioned there for safety reasons. He was there to earn the robbing goverment a living. All help and advice appreciated
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its to stop you doing 46 in a 30 area????
L.I.T.S.L.....a bit harsh!
Just pay up. You were unlucky.
I got complimented on my parking last week, when I got back to the car it was written on the windscreen,.......Parking Fine!
not unlucky -
doing nearly 50 past a bus stop in a built up area! Just hand it to the 'ban all motorcycles brigade' on a plate
Anybody can make a mistake, but
these days, it's not hard to end up with more points before those are off, so you'll have to do your research online and from specialist motoring solicitors on your next course of action.
It's hard to have much sympathy though, your speedo would be likely to showing more like 50mph (allowing for inaccuracies of calibration) best start paying more attention, it's usually more of a car drivers mistake, too fast in town, and then too slow outside of it. It could have been a child legging it into the road, or you going over the bonnet of a car Please learn from it
It was a dual carrigeway, I had set off from some lights which I had filtered my way to the front. It was uphill and I accelerated to get away from the traffic. It was a sunday lunch and there was no traffic about. I accept it was my fault. My grievance is the position of the camera and the fact it was hidden. I am very aware of what is around me. It just seems to me underhand policing.
but you werent aware were you? tip....in a built up area,when you filter to the front,DONT pass the first vehicle,let him pull away,youll pass after,that way the cars set the pace and its more difficult to pick you out!!!im telling you that as an ex...that way you will settle your speed to match the traffic in a built up area without any throttle slip!!!and if you are in the prime position ie early view ....you arent speeding and not pickeable!!!!learn and digest.
Fair cop mate,
I know it sucks but u just gotta pay the fine.
I'm no speed angel and my licence history is testament to that fact... I'll go batty out on the open road, BUT... Golden rule: 30mph areas are an exception.
I remember few years ago out on a ride with few mates, there was some biker out on the same road.. was slow as shit out on the twisties and so we passed him... get to the next small village town, we all slow to 30.. this prick comes past us doing 50-60 in the 30 zone.. other side of village we went past again cos he was slow on twists again. This went on for ages town after town and that cunt makes us all look bad. just keep to 30 in the 30 zones
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I always think that a visible camera unit is best as it makes all the road users aware they should take care more at that area. Hidden cameras down side streets and in horseboxes do nothing for the public - police relationship.
I was bollocked by a bike cop with a speed gun many years ago and it worked. He let me off and I took a lot more care with my riding, especially when I saw blokes standing with one foot in the gutter facing down the road at me.
Take care mate and put it down to learning.
cop once told me
"if it is a built up area and says 30 or 40 stick to it......you have more chance of getting caught out in these areas, if its the national limit out in the sticks enjoy yourself but always know your limits". Sound advice which I've stuck too.
Yep sgt61, I'f I'm in a build up area I do the limit (or near enough). On the open road the police are much more lenient
Poor riding, of any type, reflects badly on all of us motorcyclists/ Speeding in a 30 mph zone is irresponsible and you cannot use 'it is safe to go faster' as a defense. By doing so you adopt the position that we are better qualified to asess the safe limit on any given road than the authorities. I doubt that few, if any, of us can make that claim. Yes, we know the limits of our machines better than others (or at least we should do) but there are many other factors taken into consideration when asessing speed limits. I don't agree with a lot of the limits either but I don't claim to be expert enough to know better. I'm not perfect when it comes to sticking to the limits but I do observe 30's and 40's.
Let's be honest - we all speed
I tend to stick very close to the 20's & 30s, fairly close to the 40's & 50's (always felt speedos are +10% over-reading anyhow, so very unlucky to get done), and use judgement on NSLs. Sometimes we all get a tad over just hope cops with attitude / guns not there when we do
If in doubt always good not to be the first in the line.
In my view, speed cameras / guns should be visible. Very visible. The idea isn't necessarily to catch people, but to make them think twice. If someone is caught speeding by a hidden camera, they'll carry on speeding until they get the NIP through the door, be bitter about it and probably carry on as normal. Caught by a hidden faceless person and fined by a machine. They might kill someone in that time. Catching them there and then and bollocking them there and then is far more responsible, gives someone the human contact and the copper can adjust the approach to change attitudes properly... but you don't get the numbers up that way as the copper spends 80% of his time talking to people rather than manning the equipment. Really we should see speed guns as equipping the man, not vice versa.
Those who are thinking that "Oh there's a nice straight coming up round here, I'll see if I can max it out" might not be speeding when they see a visible police presence but they sure as hell will think twice before wanging the throttle open.
To my mind it's like the difference between peace keeping and peace enforcement. One is a light approach which helps build up relationships and only takes action when required. The other is used when peace keeping isn't working. People have proven time and time again the validity of this approach as they still catch people speeding.
The other thing to remember is that as a motorcyclist you are targeted as people generally buy them for their performance. An example is simple - I was in fairly heavy rush hour traffic that was doing 40 in a 30. I saw a cop car with a gun and slowed to 30, with everyone else up my arse and overtaking me. The gun was lifted and pointed at me - the only one in a swarm of blind morons (who clearly only saw the gun at the last minute) who actually was paying attention to what was happening beyond the car in front.
I can't agree with the siting of this position but I also can't agree that you have any defence. We all speed when we need / want to. You have that freedom and if you choose to do it, take the punishment. They breached some guidelines on high visibility speed enforcement, you broke the law. We all do it, we all know we do it, and everyone knows the consequences. Just man up and take it.
EDITED : for spelling
SPEEDING in town is not FINE
A few points:
... I had
filtered my way to the front.... there was no traffic
about. (If there was no other traffic, how come you had to filter to the front - or did you speed off so quickly, that you left everyone else way behind?)
I am very aware of what is around me. (Right, so you saw the cop hiding then?)
When out riding with a police motorcycle instructor, I too was told, 30 in a 30, 40 in a 40, when the national speed limit applies, it's up to you.
Yes, I speed, but in 31 years on the road, I've only had 1 speeding ticket. Partly luck, mostly good observation. Hopefully, a lesson learnt.
If it ain't fun, don't do it
It's all about observation and control improve both and you'll reduce the chance of being nicked.
'WHO CARES WE NEVER WIN...........'
bazablue made a valid point there
DON'T go to the front of the queue at the lights, sit behind the car at the front so when the lights go green he is the one dictating the speed and if he goes too fast then he not you will pick up the fine and points if the filth have a hidden camera somewhere up ahead. It's very tempting to go to the front and blast away from all those tin boxes once the lights turn green but as happened to kshakes it just aint worth it.