No question of who is in the wrong, but the Police are not interested? You decide
Jag or scooter who's in the wrong?
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You were completely faultless in this incident, that guy is a complete arsehole, the police could and should prosecute him based on your camera evidence, that was without doubt a dangerous driving offence, unbelievable!!! its no wonder there are so many twats on the road if he represents the quality of driving instructors these days!!! What a Prick!!!
Both at fault,if there`s no room to overtake don`t,
the scooter rider should learn to ride on the left hand side of the road so that faster vehicles can pass.
Put the boot on the other foot if the jag was in the middle of the road.
You say "Both at fault,if there`s no room to overtake don`t"
How can you say that? then say both at fault, the Jag IS actually overtaking where there is no room, put your glasses on.
Mark, you did no wrong!! that fat impatient arsehole was completely to blame mate.
Jag vs Scooter
From what I can see the Jag overtook when he clearly didn't have the room to do so. However, Mark, from a self-preservation viewpoint, your observation skills need to absolutely top drawer - particularly if you are riding a machine with limited acceleration and performance. Drivers WILL become impatient and they WILL try and overtake even if there is only half a gap. Expect it and look out for it.
I have visited mates in hospital that were in the right but still had accidents that were avoidable. After all, number one priority for all of us is not winning the blame game - its survival.
bryfor,as my fist sentence,(put your glasses on).
If your on a pushbike or slow vehicle and want to live, keep to the left,not ride/drive in the middle of the road like a hog.
Also what winds me up is vehicles doing less than the speed limit also in the middle of the road.
Its not my video, just one that appeared on another forum
Imreckon the scooter boy had spotted the line of potholes coming up and choose to widen his turn slightly to avoid them, rather than tuck in tight to the kerb, and matey boy had assumed he'd keep further left, hence the glancing blow. Still the car driver's responsibility.....
Ride in middle of lane
Hi Jaffa mate, I myself "at this time of the year" tend to ride more centrally in the road because of all the grit and shit that accumulates at the sides and thats because I DO want to live.
I know what you mean about slow moving vehicles but all it takes is a little patience sometimes, you just cant go knocking them out of the way.
the glancing blow was bad enough, but the manoeuvre and braking afterwards could have been even worse
Some of those professional drivers are the worst. They get complacent and arrogant.
My assessment of the footage is that it was pure impatience and misjudgement on the part of the car driver. It was a wet road so the scooter rider was taking it steady and smooth. The Jag followed him round the roundabout and tried to barge past on the exit on a single lane.
I've noticed cars coming from the opposite direction at speed on narrow country roads will take happily cross the centre line on a bend because they think a bike coming the other way only needs a two foot width of carriageway. They don't understand that you'll use the full width of your lane to smooth out the curve. Here the scooter rider had every right to be positioned where he was and not be cowed into the gutter.
There is no arguing with these b@stards and I know at the time you're just glad to be alive, but it's survival of the fittest out there so the rider should have punched his lights out and then shoved his car keys down his throat
I've been there and the driver has been so sorry, all my fault, shouldn't have done it. Then once they've gone home and thought about it, it becomes all my fault for being there and ON A MOTORBIKE too!!!
Kill them, kill them all.
On the part of the Jag driver. That's a SINGLE carriageway i.e. no lane markings other that the chevron area on the left at the exit of the roundabout which pushes a vehicle into a wider road position. This means the scooter rider was perfectly entitled to hold the road position he had and justified as has been said by the fact there's a load of potholes to avoid, even if there wasn't anything to avoid he was perfectly within his rights to hold that position.
What the Jag driver proceeded to do was unbelieveable and yet sadly all too common, basically endangering the riders life, not just by failing to overtake safely but HITTING the rider then forcing him to the side of the road then blaming the rider for His error. This could've ended in something serious had the rider fallen off, we all know how little speed is needed for major injuries or worse to occur
Be careful out there and remember: Just because your paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get you!!
If History has taught us One thing....
It's We've learnt None of Histories Lessons!
No doubt the jag is in the wrong, forcing his way past and clipping the scooter. But from the damage which looked like it was down the side of the Jag the guy would probably say the scooter swerved into him.
Your word against theirs and is why I wear a head cam. From this footage the jag clearly hit the rider from behind and acted dangerously afterwards. It would be condeming evidence to give to your insurance company. Wouldn't waste your time with the police...they don't give a f@ck about those on 2 wheels.
When all said and done
sometimes its better and easier to keep over left and let the brain-deads get past; being in the right is little consolation when you're being carted off in an ambulance.
I look at it from the point of view that if drivers like that want to f*** off and have an accident, I'll let them, but I don't want their accident to involve (or indeed anywhere near) me.
Said exactly what I was going to say.
In that video there was absolutely nothing wrong with either the scooter riders' actions or progress. He had every right to be wherever he wanted to be in that lane and in that situation I would have been to the right in order to block off that kind of manoeuvre. You haven't fully assessed the road surface of the road you're turning onto and so the last thing you need is to be pushed to the left into the potential crap.
The Jag driver was obviously in a mood from the way he stopped afterwards. He should be done for that alone. The commendable emergency stop and keeping control of the bike post contact is impressive.
Drivers like this should be banned immediately and the police would have taken it far more seriously if your skills and cool head hadn't have kept you from injury.
Personally, I'd have done well to a) stay on and not deck the c**t.
EDITED for spelling.