i have an answer to all the questions about if hi viz wear save lives. i have tried hi viz jackets and vests and have had a few near misses...honda have been developing a bike with a 'human face' as the human brain recognises a face... i have bought one piece of protective wear and not had another near miss since. the wonder kit??? a rossi replica helmet with his face on the top.
Hi viz debate
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The missed point here
any "wonder kit" (whether hiviz or human face or whatever) only works IF THEY LOOK.
It's fekkin' worthless if they're screaming at the kids in the back / using mirrors to apply makeup / texting / changing CD's / insert your own distraction.
Why do emergency service operatives still get knocked off their bikes when wearing this 'wonder' stuff?
If the safety freaks get their way everyone will all be dressed in the shit.
assumption is the mother of all f*** ups.
Empty headed twats
If numpties can put out in front of a bright red fire engine with blue flashing lights and feckin loud sirens then how can a bit of orange or yellow get their attention?!!!! Expect every other driver; car/bike/van/lorry/bus to try and kill you and you won't be surprised if one of them does.
**big bird outfit. **
should be a choice issue...
but YES. It works in my opinion.
Its when I dont wear it that drivers just start to pull out a bit closer on roundabouts... and so fourth. I can tell I havent got it on.
Everything and anything that can help I will wear, providing it doesnt invloved wearing a big-bird outfit... although that probably
would work better still.
Sorry, now I read this post it sounds like I actually wear a big bird outfit... I meant hi vis... normal hi-vis.
True it only works if they look.... thats why it doesnt work sometimes. But sometimes, its because they've got the their brain set to car mode... they look right through you... and if they see hi/vis well, that comes right through and they spot it. It wont work all the time though.
I don't believe there is a single shred of evidence to support the assumption high viz aids safety for motorcyclists. On a psychological level you'll be risk compensating when wearing one, so it could be argued you'll be inherently more unsafe.
The simple fact is if road users don't look, they won't see you. You can even have eye contact & still be pulled out on.
Here in Switzerland I haven't noticed a single wearer, yet in the UK it's some kind of nanny fashion statement.
For me it shouts 'I'm inadequate, my riding's mediocre & I need a security blanket'. Approach these riders with caution, they may lack an L plate, but don't be deceived... always give them a very wide berth & get clear of these hazards as soon as possible.
**adie r **
just read ur post and i agree just wrote very similar on another thread(embarassing) but totally agree all day long
**how about hi viz and **
lights ALWAYS on compulsory. It is proven fact that lights on decrease the accidents with 30%. In my country lights ALWAYS on is compulsory for all vehicles (cars, trucks, bikes).
Agree there are elderly drivers that can't see you and yes it is your job to ride in a way you stay alive.
And if you do not have lights on in accident guess who will get insurance compensation
You want to take risks go on Silverstone, public roads are for A to B.
Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
where is your country ?
belt and braces
I dont think it comes down to poor riding... its better to have a belt and braces, rather than just a belt if the result of your tousers coming down means you lose your legs or even your life.
But thats just my opinion and it should be a choice issue.
Awareness (or lack of) is key.
They can mandate hi-viz and daytime headlights, then a compulsory pillion waving a red flag and ringing a bell, but when that still doesn't bring drivers to a state of awareness will it be time to look at driver education? Why not do that right now?
Last week I was in my car on the M11 when the traffic ground to a halt. There was an accident up ahead. It was a hot afternoon for once and after 10 mins people (idiots) started flinging their doors open and walking about the motorway. I witnessed 3 near misses as bikes filtered through (two 2-up BMWs and a hi-viz blood delivery bike). My point is the drivers (now walkers) had no awareness of bikes at all, nor even a fear of being run down by one, such was their ignorance. It was amazing. They didn't see because they weren't looking.
(At this point I'd like to thank Remus and Akrapovic for supplying safety devices for my two bikes .)
hi vis is shite
the only time ive worn hi vis was for my bike test and the training for my bike test and i still had people pull out on me an then act like it was somehow my fault it doesnt make a shite of diffrence and it makes you look like a numpty
its one of those ideas that if they braught in i would hope everyone would just colectivly ignore it
Actually there's some evidence that in the daytime a solid block of colour, even black, is better than a patchwork.
What you've got there is camouflage.
It doesn't work
I wear it all day, with my headlight on, all day, with 2 learner riders also wearing hi-vis and with headlights on..............we get pulled out on all the time!!! Not always dangerously, but that just means that we have been seen and then ignored. It may not be scientific but anecdotally, IT DOESN'T FECKIN WORK
hi zx12 it is
Bulgaria, but initial safety study is for Finland, and we have proper ice and snow here in the winter, riding on ice makes you understand few things about bikes
And in Bulgaria nobody takes care about you riding a bike, everybody tries to kill you cheeky b...rds especially VW Golf drivers with number plates from the south of the country, do not expect them to do any signals either
Probably in UK lights on will safe few lives too, I was kind of surprised when a cop here has asked me why I ride with lights on
Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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IMHO Hi Vis doesn,t work
in daylight, at long range it is easier to see someone in black or dark colours as hi viz yellow doesn't stand out against the background. This is the point when drivers SHOULD see other road users & prepare to act.
At mid range hi viz only just stands out against any other colour. It is this point the drivers SHOULD be reacting to what they saw at long range. It's almost to late to have just see the biker.
At close range, the only point that hi viz is 'in your face' compared to other colours, it's FAR TO LATE to just noticing the biker. The result will be a crash unless the biker has already commenced some form of avoidance action 'just in case' the driver doesn't.
This assumes they look & see the biker & it registers in their brain. The probles are
1: They don't look.
2:Tthey look but don't see you (looking for cars only so bikes don't register).
3: They look & see both cars & bikes but ignore them & continue doing what they were going to.
4: They look & see bikers but are just 'out to get them'.
was out on my big red vfr with lights on and hi vis vest on and in daytime didn't stop 5 pillocks pulling out of junctions and traffic on dual carriage, and i think with the french making drivers have hi vis and drink testers we should do the same to them as well getting sick of these idiots in their so called wisdom telling us what we can and cannot do.
right rant over for now back to nearly normality. (i think )