now heres a tale I was told last week from a pal present...bailiffs seized furniture and BIKE (HD)from an angel...it went to auction..as it was about to start a group turned up on HDs ,went in and advised really politeley, all present ..eg."dont bid on that sofa/TV/stereo/BIKE etc...the angel bought ALL his possesions back (and HD) for about 200 quid(No reserve on bailiffs goods ever)they then thanked everyone and the other bidders all clapped them as they left!!What a loveley story!One nil to the bikers! and a medal to the other bidders.
A loveley story,bikers win!
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it when a plan comes together, especially stories like these good on em.
Some bloke owes loads of money to various folk, so basically has committed fraud/deception. The bailiffs rightfully seize his possessions so him and his thuggish mates then use intimidation to steal it all back. Because a motorcycle is involved you think this is good?
Jeez, there is no hope for the human race. I hope you can see the irony when you get scammed.
Agree with Tim
Change Angel to Chav and HD to Corsa and see what the general opinion is then
Yep a lovely story indeed
if you agree with bullying and intimidation that is.
there was no intimidation......people round here dont like bailiffs,,,,,,your area might be different,....many here have been on the receving end,,,and they are not thugs,they respect others who dont harm them.th e bailiff takes a grands worth of goods for example,sells it for 200 so you still owe 800.......so who makes it out that the biker did fraud //deception??may have just missed a payment and ive had that so come to the real world!!!! the world of no money!!!your comments show little understanding.....Ive been unemployed and homeless and at xmas,so I like to think I appreciate those less fortunate than I am at present,it could happen to anyone,tomorrow is no certainty of whats to come my friends||
no one sends the baliffs for one missed payment. If you don't like the practices of baliffs and debt recovery legislation, here's a novel idea, don't buy stuff you can't afford on credit.
I like 81s just fine, and they always look after their own regardless. So, I give them a bit of a free pass for their actions here. But this ain't a story of a victory for bikers - merely legitimate people at an auction being intimidated by a patch club.
The guy who lost the stuff at the start of the story, STILL owes the remanining debt BTW.
please dont call me a liar...they do send bailiffs for one payment!!!!anyone can do it!!(use bailiffs)...I speak from experience not what i read!I once had toattend and hand over the keys to the build society for our house due to underpayment ,we didnt know and hadnt the cash to settle ...a young manager thought it strange and after a sit in we were told that we had overpaid by £7,000 plus over the years....and keys given back!!vulcan some people on here arent in the real world and its nationally when you consider recent incidents ie police/politicians.NHS u name it...incompetence rules. the .courts are corrupt. By the way,no one could intimidate me .id be opposite if tried
I meant the first missed payment, providing it is actually settled and not left as an open debt.
Vulcan, my sympathies - had a hell of a time with two utilities companies niether of which could produce a correct bill for some months; thankfully we didn't encounter a situation of debt being sold on.
But, the story in the OP doesn't much sound to me like a utility company screw up, but someone who wanted a load of bikes, TVs, sofas, etc all on tick; then couldn't meet their side of the deal.
I think there is some confusion here with the word Bailiff as opposed to Debt Collection agency.
A Bailiff requires there to be a County Court Judgment and yes this could be issued for one missed payment but it is unlikely that a judge would issue one in those circumstances.
Only a bailiff is allowed to remove property and they are not allowed to force entry. If you do not allow them entry the police have to be used to resolve.
Debt collection agencies will use all sorts of tactics to obtain repayment for any amount, but are not allowed to remove goods.
Vulc - sorry to hear of your problems - the best way to have dealt with the debt collectors was to say ' Fine see you in court'. As you could prove you were in the right the judge would have awarded costs against them if they pursued
I know I sound like a smart ar$e but in a previous life I worked for a council rent department and spent many hours in court
less samrt-arse than much-valued-advice here I'd've thought
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right and wrong opinions here about what a bailliff is, can do.. whether they should or should not be this, that or the other...
The point of the story here tho... and I have to agree totally with Tim's first post..,. whether these bikers said:
"excuse me, we'd very much appreciate you not bidding on these items"
"If you so much as look at this stuff we'll break your fucking knees cunt!"
This was intimidation.. nobody's gonna do any bidding after that are they?? ..really?
Not a particularly 'lovely' story at all!
so did i.spend lots of time in the courts...many years in fact in a city.If a court issue a warrant or order then that person enacting becomes a bailiff for that purpose as he has the protection of the court in that instance...tomorrow he may be a normal debt collector...no confusion at all....for some ie a distress warrant(this is the only one that must be in their possesion) then its a court bailiff and if you refuse entry the police will assist them,by law...the police are present to prevent a breach of the peace only but will also ensure that certain items are not removed...ie cooker/beds/bedding/tools etc
agreed the system is not perfect. Many companies will not spend the time chasing 'debts' and pass them on to debt recovery firms as these firms add on their own, often exorbitant, charges.
Those companies often have no details of what the debt is or records of how they arose. It's just a matter of 'this is what we are told you owe'
No need for a company to get a court to authorise it.
But from the OP the Bailiffs had taken possession of goods, that can only be done with a Court order (CCJ or similar) so the fact that money was owed must have been proven to the satisfaction of a judge.
Whether or not there was any intimidation is mute, the complainant could request that the bailiffs return and re-seize the goods. The angel could do the same trick again, ad infinitum until the debt and costs were paid off.
Glad yours turned out OK as I said Nina should have just said check your facts - see you in court. I'm sure bully boy tactics wouldn't faze her, She's married to you " />
Just so we don't start WWIII. that was a joke . I know how touchy some people can be on this forum
There are Court Bailiffs, Certified Bailiffs & Private Bailiffs, but all need to have had training. No reason why a private debt collector could not also be a bailiff and certificated by a judge as such
I could not be made a bailiff by a judge just to recover a debt owed to me unless I was able to prove to the judge that I had sufficient knowledge of the laws of distress
And, as you point out, any bailiff recovering goods would have to be directed to do so by a court