i keep reading about stuff like this. last year my dad had a middle aged women pull right out into his path... he wasnt on a bike; he was driving an astra! she pulled out right at the last minute. only last month a car pulled out on my stationary bike and damaged my ankle. i think the visibility from cars and vans is atleast partly to blame. maybe its time some pressure was put on the car industry to think a lot more about visibility from their vehicles when they design them in the future? maybe the motorcycle community would be a good place for tjat to come from. i dont want to be knocked off and killed by a driver who cant see out of his or her car because it has huge pillors and tiny windows.
This is a worrying trend for us bikers?
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"Look and thee shall see"....Seriously though I agree with the above, plus all the other add-ons such as sat navs notepads and air fresheners not to mention mobile phones, kindles ect.
A friends lad was in a car that pulled across a 4 wheel drive, his mate said I couldn't see it because of the A piller.....wasn't his fault!.....
I occasionally drive a Volvo C30 and if I want to look left I have to look underneath the rear-view mirror assembly. It's absolutely massive, entirely unnecessarily! It also takes huge effort to look around the pillars if I'm looking to the right, again they're just huge.
More should definitely be done to reduce the amount of noise polluting clear views in cars, it's just getting silly at the moment!
Try riding around Bradford on a evening, its like wacky races with uninsured younhg Asians.
well, its trie you could say its the drivers responsibility to look harder, but we all kmow tyhat a large proportion will not. if they want to proceed down thos route they should have to add some tech... like emergency city braking and cameras.. someone even left a comment on the qebsite aaying car drivers should just indicate their intentions and then everyone should get out of the wy because they have a right to be safe. i wonder how safe she is on the road
**more tech is a waste when the very fundamentals are ignored **
have to say that it is teh driver of the cars fault they can claim the piller is in the way or what ever they like but in the end they bought the car without bother to give a toss.
All the technology in the world wont help if they dont bother to look maye there should be aprogram to start taking keys of fdrivers who are incapable or just dont bother to look
They have lots of safety devices out blindspot sensors, adaptive cruise controls emergency brakes thing sto tell you your going out of lane things to tell you your tired cameras for reverseing, parking assist, distance sensors telling you your to close the list is endless
so I am sorry but no amount of all these saftey tech will help because of the people who beleive they are in there own little world and the car test being an absolute joke you cant teach the person behind teh wheel correctly and it stays in there head then all the tech in the world wont help them so sorry but dont see the point of any new tech if the fundamentals are igonred
its like the american forces very high tech and yet still the highest percentage of freindly fire and accidents due to piolet error and so on (sorry any americans on here but it is true no dig intended)
all true in principal, but the ebds just justify the means to me. its fine in theory to talk about taking keys off drivers who are incompitant, but its not going to happen, as the economy relies on people driving. its a lot easier and more likely to happen for tech to be put into vehicles by law to aid incompitant drivers to be safe. emergency city braking is an example... apparently the device can even prevent a car hitting a predestrian by slamming the breaks hard on at the last split second if the driver is too dopey to see the thing they are about to plough into. i understand the principal, but the ends always justify the means when it comes to making the road safer. anyway, sometimes drivers who say pillers are too big have a fair point. eventually if you keep making it harder abd harder to see out of a vehicle, the driver at some point cant see. a driver has a lot of things to do on the road, so car manufacturers should be making their job easier not harder. every opportunity must be nade from all ends to make avoiding a crash or collission less likely. that means better driving, better tech and better designed cars with better visibility.
correction: to make a collision less likely i mean.
mcn is perhaps one of the best forums... yet unlike any other forum i have ever come across:
i still cant edit my own posts or use spell checkibg from my phone on a mcn forum for some strange reason... not sure why. i still cant place my curser at any desired point in the body of txt im writing.
The S60 Vulva that I drive..(very rarely)....has that system...it works in unexpected ways that can catch you out.... If you drive up to a wall to park... in a spirited fashion, it will slam on the brakes and stop you dead. Which can launch anything loose ...into the dash including..... eager to get their seatbelts off....kids... Other wise ...It's a good thing.
You still can't better good old fashioned ...Observation though.
I've had an Astra on demo
over the weekend.
Yesterday I was just approaching a small roundabout and thought my entry on was clear so started to go, when a Smart car appeared right in front of me. It had obviously been completely obscured by the A pillar and the quarter-light pillar. They are mahoosive on the Astra. Just glad it wasn't a bike, as I think it would have put the shits up the rider.
Coaches are the worst for this. I saw one the other day and his side mirror assemblies must have been at least a foot wide and 5 feet tall.
yes, that is dangerous if its activating when parking. maybe once the parking sensors are engaged for parking, then the system should be deactivated. or perhaps once seatbelts are undone the system should then deactivate.
yes, good old fasioned obs skills are key, but you will never ever be able to rely on the general public to use them fully. people are just lazy, so the easier it is to check a blind spot the more likely it will be done, the more likely we as bikers can enjoy riding without unacceptable risk from drivers. the real issue is roads are getring busy more... and just this morning in the 30 we were behind an old boy, swerving all over the road at 15mph lol... as we came up behind hec's wife pointed us out and he sped up to 20mph. if those kinds of pepple are going to share the road with me, then i want them to have emergency city braking
yep, that about the astra is my point. its time people started to shout about it, because when one of us gets their leg crushed its a case of oh dear, never mind...just an accident... one of those things. there needs to be rigorous standards for visibility. i wonder how far theyd let a designer go before they said it wasnt fit for the roadk?
God safe us from ill advised busy body eurocrats
Its partially because of the EU eurocrats that this situation is as it is. They have such desire to introduce any law to justify their existence that they miss the big picture. They have set standards for A pillar strength (to protect cars in roll overs) that A pillars have become so large. In their desire to protect occupants they endanger everybody else. They then try to bring in yet more restrictive legislation to 'save lives that have only been put in to jeopardy by those politicians ineptitude.
**I've had **
A woman in a BMW (why's it always German car drivers seem the worst?) drive into the back of my bike at a junction. Her bumper jammed under mine, luckily no damage as the tyre took the impact. But even with the bike stuck upright she refused to admit she'd hit me, or even get out of the car to look. Still don't know if she was plain arrogant or stupid.
Yes , but for the authorities and car manufactures it's just a matter of statistics, they'll save more lives and serious injuries by increasing a cars rigidity (thicker pillars etc), even if that means reduced driver visibility, which ultimately will increase the likelihood of more MC, pushbike and pedestrian deaths or injuries.
A safe car you can't see outta will kill less people than a less safe you can, simples.
Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat
The Trend now
Is to stuff the "A" pillars and every other space....full of Air bags....or for those driving 3 ton Range Rovers....Gucci Bags.
well... its not right to obscure a drivers view. the divers job is to use their eyes to keep the car and people around it safe. manufacturers to help then in that task. additionally, youc'll see some of the safest cars dont have huge pillers they dont need them to be strong and safe. we cant allow car manufacturers to continue reducing the visibility from these multi ton vehicles. we are motorcyclists and represent a proportion of society and its time we make our voice heard on this issue, otherwise the roads will be too unsafe for motorcyclists, padestrians and cycliets, which is hardly on line with government targets to encourage people onto two wheels. something needa to be done and a line in the sand needs to be drawn with visibility in cars.
another option: class each vehicle being sold and on the road by visibility from the vehicle. if a driver learns to drive in an easy to see out of class of vehicle, then in order to go out and drive a more difficult class they would have to do a short course with an instructor to show that they have developed the right observational habbots on the road to look around blind sports. its not just lazy drivers; ots often people taking it for granted that if the road looks clear from their vehicle when they are sitting in one position then it is, and they dont have to move their head around a piller to actually look. oh, and obviously if someone fails to see another vehicle and hits them, tjen of coirae they should have their driving looked at by a professional and compulsary further training.