The announcer of the programme said it all, it's new to ITV ...and didn't we know it.
I've never written before complaining about a programme. But as a fan of motorbike racing I've just watched the worst ever coverage of bike racing. So much so I've e mailed ITV sport what I thought, their coverage was absolutely crap!
After much hyped talk that ITV had secured the coverage, not live !!! what's that all about !!
Then the cameras don't follow the leaders, we didn't see lavilla take haslam for example.
Then on race two the coverage was equally poor, the commentators (not jamie! he did alright...just, but get back to wsb and stay there mate, don't be associated with this crap!) I felt weren't watching the same race. I could see moves on riders and there was no commentary. I could see lavilla waving to marshals to wave their flags so that back markers would move over yet commentary thought he was waving a shakey !!
Then to top it all kiyonari won the race and we didn't see the rest finish which must have included a close finish between haslam and lavilla...so absolute rubbish has to be laid at the second race attempt.
I'd sooner wait in future to see the highlights by British Eurosport or sky who know what they are doing.
Itv coverage ....absolutely rubbish or what !!!
The announcer of the programme said it all, it's new to ITV ...and didn't we know it.
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I have to agree, it was embarrassing!. If itv thought they might get some new viewers they are sadly mistaken. Love Jamie, but he's better on the wsb, what about the supersport as well?. Barry Nutley hasn't been on tv for years and it showed, hope it improves as it will be off air in a few weeks as it was so dull!
I agree with all of the above
It wasnt good. I will e-mail ITV as well and hope they get better.
What we really need is their equivalent of Belinda at the BBC to get on here and listen to our views coz that was bad.
MICKEY MOUSE ITV
Well if i had any doubts what it would be like haveing got used to a RollsRoyce and then haveing to put with a 20 year old mini!!! going from Sky to ITV just about sums it up.
Blimey second race,on about backmarkers,it was McConnell!!! dohhhh,and then bugger me if he didn't miss the finish flag.
Constructive comments,don't bother watching in future wait till Sky comes on latter on.
i cannot beleive what a bunch of moaning old ***** you all are why not give them a chance to sort things out before you all go off crying about it and throwing your dummies out your prams. i think you all need to get out more and get lives
actually prgram was ok, and quite proffessional. but wasnt it all a bit choriographed, and patronising? that was not natural james whitham either, he was being told what to say im sure of it. the presenter hasnt a clue about racing, and the track side reporter hasnt a clue, when she was talking to rutter on his tyre choice, rutter chose the slicks, which he said and then she said "was it a suspension problem then?" priceless and then saying "good choice" (tyres) at the end of the interview was pure comedy genius. sky cannot be beaten for coverage, all the presenters know what they are talking about, and keith huewen is a class comentator. are sky not going to be showing the superbikes live at all this season? because they are only showing highlights of the first round, i hope this is just a one off.
We've gone from slick professional coverage of literally the whole meeting to a glorified highlights program.Whit is the only positive. To all those celebrating that terrestial TV has the coverage I'd like to smack you round the head with my SKY dish!
It wasn't as good as Sky, but it is being shown on terrestrial which should giv ebike racing a much bigger audience.
There were some positives in addittion to the above - one race was shown live with highlights of race one. When BSB was on the beeb it was just highlights shown a week late.
I don't think Barry Nutley has done any live TV for years - and it showed.
The second race was pretty crap and you can't blame ITV for that - when you get a tyre choice lottery the guys who were lucky and choose the right tyre clear off which is what Kiyo did.
Brand Hatch Indy circuit is a Mickey Mouse track which is fine for club racing and gives spectators a good view, but makes for lousey TV coverage and is not big enough for BSb - whenever they use the Indy circuit you get problems with back markers.
I thoroughly enjoyed watching the racing even though I admit that most of the rest of the season will be much better. I enjoyed excellent racing from the MotoGP boys, but last year most of the time I was flicking over to watch BSB in preference to MotoGP.
ITV will improve and as I said earlier at least one of the races was live. Personally I would prefer if they showed the whole of race one and followed it with a live race two and cut out all the grid chat etc which tells me nothing.
One good thing - it has saved me the cost of a Sky Sports subscription - now I just get Eurosport.
I remember when WSBK switched from Sky to Eurosport it took a while for Eurosport to get the formula right.
My daughter and I wholeheartedly agree with all your comments; we spent our time - on the phone - wondering whether we were watching the same superbike racing as the incompetent commentator!
The condescending commentator ought to get his cards.
The Sky coverage at 9 30pm on Sunday was much better, but where was Niall?
We won't be bothering with ITV coverage - we'll record the full Sky programme to watch later.
I don't know who was responsible for the decision to move to ITV, but they made a BIG MISTAKE as far as we are concerned.
1 - At least employ camera men who have a vague idea who is who in the world of BSB.
2 - Try and employ somebody with your vast fortune who can wipe a camera lens.
3 - Dont put Mr Whitham in such a tinpot situation where he has to explain the running order as "Johnny Computer Guy" doesn't know who's who (he's lapping the virgin yam who in actual fact is in 3rd). See No.1.
4 - Dont keep cutting to Honda bosses in the midst of a battle.
5 - When a rider falls and seems to be hurt, concentrate on him and his wellbeing, not the redflag minutes later which surely was to be expectect with that fall?
6 - When it reads live in TV guides you expect to see at least 2 races in the coverage you show, not just commentators with live action behind them.
7 - Why concentrate on the guy in front when he has finished the race, then his garage, and then the people who are racing for positions?
8 - HALF OF THE WORK WAS GUESS WORK (from a viewers perspective) BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS POINTS AND MORE AS TO WHO OVERTOOK WHO AND WHEN, AND HOW THE RACE FINISHED HOW IT DID!
9 - Look at other formats, use race times, lap times and positional data to give your audience a clue as to whats going on (ITV do formula ! for God's sake)!
10 - If you are trying to 'sell' BSB to a new audience you are being a disdrace to everyone involved including riders, teams and fans.
whingeing morons !!!
first time out will always be problems..yes sky later on was better and the grid presenters on sky are better..as they are on f1...let's have somebody who knows what they are talking about on the grid talking to the riders...point 5 from the last post really ANNOYED me.....what do you want to see ? i don't want to look at somebody in pain who could be seriously injured and i'm damn sure the rider wouldn't want to be seen like that...glad leon was okay after it...go follow an ambulance round if you want to see that... 1 programme doesn't make the series, give them a chance..by the way..the early days of f1 were not a patch on bbc coverage.
Well said mate.
I don't care
The coverage was iffy to say the least but SKY sports is still a minority coverage and last year we had to google search to find a piss poor channel 4 slot. I gave up and ended up reading the MCN to find the results.
I reckon it will get better and sponsors will be pleased to see a sunday afternoon slot.
Pro's an cons' all round...
We may look at it from the point of view of experienced race-goers and BSB-watchers who want to know every nuance of the carbon-fibre weave of the guy in eighteenths` footrest hangers, but lets' face the facts - ITV didn't buy the coverage for the likes of you and me, they bought it to sell the mass-market media thing and to provide a platform for lots of lucrative advertisements for hairspray, toilet roll and Daewoo cars...
So why are you even criticising the coverage? It provided ample opportunity for advertisement breaks which, unlike Eurosport, don't get in the way of the race action. Nutley is a fine commentator who managed just fine with the tools at his disposal...
OK, so the Director needs firing, or at least have his motorcycle race CV credentials analysed for a spot of hyperbole, Whitham was like a fish out of water and the `new` presenters were very `new` (wishing Michael Rutter "well done" when he pulled in through a lousy tyre choice in Race Two was not the smartest comment from the Trailer Totty, but on the other hand she might have nice breasts. We'll find out when it's warmer) but let's not start sending Irate of Ipswich letters to ITV just yet.
Heuwen could barely string a sentence together at the start, MacKenzie was more stilted than a Borneo village and remember, we STILL have to watch MotoGP on Eurosport, so things can only get better...
However, I do wish they had used the opportunity to learn from the mistakes of others and encouraged the cult pf personality by introducing more of the riders, a brief history of the sport and some on-bike camera footage to give some idea to the unconverted of the danger and speed!
Popping straight into abbreviated coverage of Race One was not the way to go. If you are gong to cover someting live, do it live or don't do it at all.
We all knew it would be rubbish coverage and we were'nt let down !
Niall is now race director at Rizla so not doing commentary with Sky this year.
Cant understand the coverage at all, I was there yesterday and Race 1 was red flagged at 20 laps so why did they have to highlight that it should have been 27 anyway.
Seems to me you are stuck either way, watch highlights of Race 1 and bad coverage of Race 2 or wait until late on a Sunday evening to see decent coverage, but who wants to wait till 9.30 to get race results.
What is even worse is that the race schedules have been altered to fit in with ITV. We now have to sit around till 3.45 for Race 2, always used to be 3.15 which is a pain when its pouring down and nothing happened between the end of the Supersport race (also red flagged) and the precious TV slot.
The worst thing that could have happened for a BSB fan was for a terrestrial channel to get the live rights. We subsribed to Sky about 3 years ago just to enable us to get live coverage of bike racing (I know sky is expensive and not everyone can afford it).
It makes me so angry that they make a big thing about getting LIVE BSB when what you really get is a highlights package - the weekend before they showed 2hr live F1 qualifying on saturday and 3hr live F1 racing on sunday - and all we get is 1.5hr out of a whole days racing that covers 6 races. As Keith Huwen said at the start of the sky coverage if you want 'comprehensive coverage' you have to wait to the middle of the night to watch Sky coverage showing all 6 races - 2 more than last year.
I was pleased that it was going to be on ITV but not at the expense of quality coverage, bike racing is growing in popularity as evident by the attenance at any race meeting you might have attended last year and this is how the commercial rights owners choose to repay us.
The only good thing about ITV's coverage was the return of Barry Nuttley (back to the 2000 days) and the ever entertaining Jamie Whitham.
I have cable TV (Telewest) but I never used to subscribe to SKY Sports because i couldn't justify the cost JUST to watch BSB, so to have it on ITV is a blessing.
the coverage, IMHO, was OK. I have seen the SKY coevrage in the past an ITV have a way to go but hopefully it'll happen.
Marks out of 10? I'd give them 5 - average start to the year but hopefully will improve over the rest of the termtime... from what I've heard about the AMA on Speedy TV we're damn lucky.
Lets not kid ourselves.....It was very very bad, ITV should have the personnel and professionalism to put on a better show!!
Would the F1 series have been aloud to be that bad when they first took it over from the BBC?? No way!!
James Witham is not a commentator, however he is one of the best summarisers in any sport, Just check him and Jack Burnicle out on Eurosport.... but he needs a lead man and the Muppet who introduced the show and the main commentator were not up the the job.
How can the guy who introduced the show kick off with ' If like me you know nothing about BSB?!?!?' How can that work??
Should Bennett's Insurance as Key sponsors have a word??
Granted the audience that the coverage will reach is way beyond Sky but for the love of god ITV make an effort!!
Can't wait,when the second race is live and they have a delay see what state they get e'm selves in then,untill they have a 3 hour slot their going nowhere,and what about the Supersport race???
But the comments on the cost of Sky i pay 36 quid a month e'r 9 pounds a week big bucks e'h!!
But there are bonus's!! got the Superstock race on Sky
The simple solution...
...if you don't like what you're seeing is NOT to write to ITV, but instead to write to the marketing departments of all the advertisers.
Content along the lines of: "I came, I saw - I went again. Want people to watch your ads and buy your products? Then ask the production company to put money where YOUR mouthpiece is..."
Perhaps MCN could provide the names and addresses of all the advertisers? And perhaps a sample letter to help us in a letter writing campaign...
But I can't help feeling that the coverage will improve, providing the presenters (and the producers) realise that not knowing what you're talking about is only an invitation to politicians to get on TV, not sports reporters.
> actually prgram was ok, and quite proffessional. but
> wasnt it all a bit choriographed, and patronising?
> that was not natural james whitham either, he was
> being told what to say im sure of it. the presenter
> hasnt a clue about racing, and the track side
> reporter hasnt a clue, when she was talking to rutter
> on his tyre choice, rutter chose the slicks, which he
> said and then she said "was it a suspension problem
> then?" priceless and then saying "good choice"
> (tyres) at the end of the interview was pure comedy
> genius. sky cannot be beaten for coverage, all the
> presenters know what they are talking about, and
> keith huewen is a class comentator. are sky not going
> to be showing the superbikes live at all this season?
> because they are only showing highlights of the first
> round, i hope this is just a one off.
Just to clear up a couple of points about the Rutter interview. The 'Good choice' comment was obviously meant to mean a good choice to come in rather than staying out on a bike he felt dangerous on given the tyre choice and conditions.
I spoke to Janie on the phone and she told me that many of the riders were telling her throughout the weekend that the rear suspension settings were compounding problems with the rear tyre traction. Given this the rear tyre choice that Rutter made could well have been a lot worse for him if the team were still having problems setting up the rear shock for the track condition.
This was the reason she commented on his suspension when he said he came in because of his tyre choice.